so the, the obama administration doesn't talk about freedom of religion. it talks about freedom of worship which is distinction they think it is very important. it means you are allowed to do whatever you want religiously in private, but the second it touches the government square the government wins over religious conscience. >> what strikes me, and we've done this story before, the folks at hobby lobby are not just using this to avoid something. they appear to be incredibly sincere in their religious beliefs. >> yeah. i mean, there is no profit motive in here that i think is really meaningful. this is the biggest company so far to question the hhs mandate and, you know, i think people would understand it more viscerally if we were talking about the kosher butchers or halal butchers or if someone was told they had to pay for a system that would mulch korans or something but you actually talk about forcing a company to pay for what this company at least, owners of this company truly believe is a chemical abortion and everyone says, that is just health care